Welcome to Tea, Toast and Trivia.
Thank you for listening in.
Living in the reality of Covid-19, travel has been curtailed, internationally as well as domestically. Even though travel is coming back slowly, there are places that I will never visit in my lifetime. Over the past months, I have found that travel is possible through the alchemy of technology.

Welcome to a new podcast series on Tea Toast & Trivia – “The Virtual Journey” which will explore new horizons through the eyes of a friend. As Marcel Proust reminds me, “The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes.”
I am thrilled that Roberta Eaton Cheadle, aka Robbie, has invited me to South Africa, which is approximately 16,000 kilometres, as the crow flies, from Vancouver Canada. I have crossed an ocean and entered the southern hemisphere.
I invite you to put the kettle on and join the conversation on Tea Toast & Trivia. I am your host Rebecca Budd, and I am looking forward to sharing this adventure with you.

Thank you for joining Robbie and me on the first podcast in the series – “The Virtual Journey.”
We have lived the experience of Cango Caves today, thanks to our gracious travel host, Robbie Cheadle!
A very special thank you, Robbie, for sharing your amazing country.
I invite you to meet up with Robbie on her blog, Roberta Writes, her Amazon Page, Goodreads, Instagram, and YouTube. Robbie has created a space where history comes alive with every page turned.
Until next time, dear friends, stay safe, be well.



126 replies on “Season 4 Episode 7: Travelling to Cango Caves, South Africa with Roberta Eaton Cheadle”
Hi Rebecca What a lovely surprise to find this interview live when I logging in to WP this morning. The post looks beautiful. I really enjoyed chatting to you about this extraordinary cave as well as the area that surrounds it.
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I was excited to travel to South Africa with you, Robbie. Your thoughtful and detailed discussion was remarkable. Thank you for the in-depth research. Your reading was “icing on the cake.” I do hope that someday I will be able to meet with you in person.
I looked up South African’s Anthem after our conversation.
National anthem of South Africa which was sung by the Soweto Gospel Choir (Link below)
Nkosi sikelel’ Afrika
Maluphakanyisw’ uphondo lwayo
Yizwa imithandazo yethu
Nkosi sikelela thina lusapho lwayo
Morena boloka setjhaba sa heso
O fedise dintwa le matshwenyeho
O se boloke (Ntate) o se boloke setjhaba sa heso
Setjhaba sa South Afrika (South Afrika)
Uit die blou van onse hemel
Uit die diepte van ons see
Oor ons ewige gebergtes
Waar die kranse antwoord gee
Sounds the call to come together
And united we shall stand
Let us live and strive for freedom
In South Africa our land
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Hi Rebecca, it is wonderful that you found this beautiful video of the SA national anthem. I do enjoy listening to it.
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There is a marvelous profound sense of connection that comes when we link languages. Goosebumps!
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That was fantastic, Robbie – such amazing sights in your part of the world. Toni x
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Thank you for listening in, Toni! Robbie is a gracious and extremely knowable host. Her stories of ostriches, excavations, travels in lush and dry areas was riveting.
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Thank you, Toni. I have not been to Australia but New Zealand certainly has some wonderful sites. We live in an amazing world.
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Looks amazing!
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I am delighted that you listened in, Becky. I had so much fun meeting up with Robbie. I felt like we were in the same room, even though we were on opposite sides of the world.
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Amazing how that happens, Rebecca!
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Thank you, Becky. It is an extraordinary place to visit.
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I believe it!
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This podcast was enthralling, Rebecca and Robbie! Fascinating to hear about South Africa, the amazing ostriches, and the amazing cave experience — all narrated to perfection by Robbie. Congratulations on this impressive start to “The Virtual Journey” series!
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HI Dave, I am glad you enjoyed this podcast. Rebecca and I had so much fun, assisted, of course, by her marvelous husband. I feel quite privileged to have visited such a marvelous cave three times.
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Many thanks, Dave, for joining us at Cango Caves. They are magnificent – I felt I was “there” in reality. Did you see Robbie’s short video on her YouTube channel, which I linked to the photo? “The Virtual Journey” idea came from Misty’s adventures. I head over to Montclair every day to meet up with Misty and you. Would it be possible to travel through the eyes of another person, I wondered? Hmmm….. Misty has the best idea! Please tell him thanks for me.
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Thank you, Rebecca! Misty the cat is thrilled to have you and Frances among his viewers. 🙂 And now, after your latest wonderful podcast, he would like to meet one of the ostriches Robbie vividly described. 🙂
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Does Misty realise how big ostriches are? One ostrich egg is equal to 30 chickens eggs.
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Ha, Robbie! 🙂 Misty is rethinking his desire to meet an ostrich after experiencing “shell” shock at the size of the egg you described. 🙂
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You have the best lines, Dave!!! Thank you for giving me a great start to my day.
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Thank you, Rebecca! 🙂
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A most impressive achiever, Roberta Eaton Cheadle! Congratulations to her for all that energy and her many accomplishments benefiting seemingly all ages of readers. As well to you Rebecca for introducing her to us. Her being influenced in her writing by Edgar Allan Poe, speaks to me, as you my friend would know.
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Hello Jean-Jacques, it is lovely to meet you. I am delighted you enjoyed this conversation. I am a big fan of Edgar Allan Poe’s and recently read Message Found in a Bottle and The Oblong Box.
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Lovely to meet you too, especially a kindred spirit fan of old Edgar Allan Poe. Be well and until we meet again…
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YOu too.
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I agree, Jean-Jacques – Robbie is energized. I marvel at how much she accomplishes in a day. I am convinced that there are more hours in a day when you cross into the Southern Hemisphere. I am delighted that you joined Robbie and me at Cango Caves!!! I always appreciate your company!
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The pleasure of your company is as always an appreciated experience, and I thank you for it.
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Many thanks for the most excellent virtual tour of Cango Caves, Robbie. I felt I was there in person.
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I am so glad, Rebecca. So many wonderful places to visit and experience in this world.
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They remind me of a beautiful church organ- stunning!
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What a great connection, Jacquie. I forgot to ask Robbie what voices sound like within the caves. I would imagine there is an amplification. Thank you for listening in and travelling with Robbie and me to Cango Caves!!
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Hi Rebecca, there is some amplification of voices and a bit of an echo too.
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Hi Jacquie, they are incredibly beautiful. It is quite overwhelming seeing them in the caves.
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Thank you Robbie, Rebecca and Don for producing this outstanding verbal vision of South Africa. From the beginning words, I was taken to this beautiful place on our continent. I was surprised that Robbie mentioned that our world’s history goes back millions of years. When I read the same fact mentioned by a totally different person and place, I had considered it false! South Africa is so far away, but this time with Robbie makes it seem close and very beautiful. I loved the part about the Ostriches and their feathers. This is only one of the beautiful descriptions–our trip with her down in the caves is outstanding! ! Thank you for including Robbie and her reading part of her story. I am glad that you will be continuing this story.
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HI Ms Frances, I am so pleased you enjoyed this podcast and a virtual visit to South Africa. I have always enjoyed ostriches although I wasn’t a big fan of the ostrich massage. They are very large and powerful birds. Rebecca does such a wonderful job with these interviews and makes her guests feel so relaxed and comfortable.
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I am delighted that you enjoyed this conversation, Frances. I agree that Robbie brought South Africa to where we are on the other side of the world. I was delighted that Robbie added a reading to the podcast. It was the “icing on the cake.”
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I remember that story from Robbie’s blog. It was great fun to hear her read it! (Children would love it!)
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I’ll be listening to this podcast tomorrow, Robbie and Rebecca!
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Thank you, Miriam.
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I just listened, Robbie. The cave is fascinating
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I am so pleased you enjoyed this virtual adventure, Miriam. Such a fabulous place to visit.
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I could see that, Robbie. The cave is amazing.
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Excellent interview. What is amazing about all this is that the formations in the Congo Caves look so much like the formations in Carlsbad Caverns in southeastern New Mexico. Even nature does a bit of “the same as it ever was” over millions and millions of years.
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HI Timothy, thank you for listening. I remember your posts about the Carlsbad Caverns in New Mexico and I had a similar thought. Nature is simply incredible.
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I have always wanted to visit Carlsbad Caverns, Tim. I am delighted that you joined Robbie and me in South Africa. Robbie is a wonderful and knowledgeable host. From Ostriches to archeological sites, to music, language and a reading of her book, I felt that I had travelled to South Africa.
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You would love CBCs. The immensity of the caverns is something you have to experience in person. I’ve had some pretty good adventures at CBCs. I did some primitive caving in the 70s when I was young and skinny enough to crawl through tight places. Not something a claustrophobic person would want to do.
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What a great journey to be on. Thank you Robbie and Rebecca.
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Thank you for listening, I am so pleased you enjoyed this chat about the Cango Caves.
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A few years ago I reconnected with a childhood penpal in South Africa. She does daily Facebook posts on her life in and around the Mossel Bay Municipality in the Western Cape. I was quite excited to recognise some of the place names you mentioned in your conversation eg George. My friend uses George airport quite a lot.
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Have you noticed how small our world has become with technology, Mandy?. It is amazing how much I travel every day from my kitchen table. How wonderful to be able to reconnect with a childhood penpal.
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Indeed. I have lovely excursions every day.
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I lived in George for two years as a girl and my grandparents are both buried there. I am very fond of the area and my husband and I are considering retiring there.
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It seems like a lovely place to consider for retirement.
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I am delighted that you joined Robbie and me in South Africa. I was amazed by how much travel we did in a span of about 20 minutes. It was a wonderful experience. I believe that virtual travel is in the ascendency. Exciting times!! Sending you many hugs with great speed.
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It’s a comfortable and affordable way to travel!
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I enjoyed the interview with Robbie. I chuckled, learning about the ostrich massage.
I find geology incredibly interesting and have visited several underground caves.
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HI Pete, I am also a big fan of caves and also rocks and crystals. My family thought that ostrich massage was hilarious. I was a little scared. They are huge and powerful birds with sharp beaks.
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I didn’t ride one. Not because I was scared but because I think it’s cruel. They put a bag over the birds head while the rider climbs on and off.
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I tried to imagine what it was like to turn my back on the ostrich and hope that this formidable bird liked the food. I am delighted that you joined Robbie and me in South Africa. Robbie is a brilliant and gracious host!!
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A wonderful tour around Cango Caves…Lovely interview Rebecca and Robbie 🙂 x
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Hi CArol, I am so glad you enjoyed this podcast. There must be some wonderful natural sites in Thailand too.
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Yes there are, Robbie wherever we have been in the world we have seen some awesome natural sites.. The world really is an amazing 🌏
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How did you enjoy feeding the ostriches, Carol? Can you imagine turning your back to these huge birds and wonder whether they will like the food?!!! YIKES! Robbie was a wonderful tour guide. I love travelling without jet lag!
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I know they are huge birds.. There would definitely be no point in running… Definitely yikes if you got on the wrong side of them… Yes she was very knowledgeable it was an awesome virtual tour.. x
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What a lovely discussion ladies! I really enjoyed listening. Robbie is so well-travelled and so knowledgeable about our country. I’ll be sure to listen in to more of your virtual travels, Rebecca 🙂
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I am delighted that you listened in, Chris! I am very pleased that we have met and look forward to connecting going forward.
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Definitely looking forward to more virtual travel!
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I am looking forward to travelling the world with you, Chris!
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HI Chris, thank you for listening. I am glad you enjoyed this virtual visit. I make a point of finding interesting places to visit here in SA and abroad. It makes life interesting.
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I’m pleased for the opportunity to visit virtually at the moment.
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Thank you for this wonderful trip to South Africa and these amazing caves. Robbie explains things so well.
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I agree wholeheartedly, Darlene. Robbie has a brilliant way of providing detail in a storytelling format that allows listeners to learn, engage and feel that virtual travel is a reality.
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Thank you, Rebecca, you are going to give me a big head – smile!
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HI Darlene, maybe Amanda will visit South Africa one day. She wouldn’t be able to wander about alone though, it is a bit to dangerous here. She could make some nice and interesting friends who would keep her safe.
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That is a great idea, Robbie. My mother, Frances is looking forward to Amanda’s next adventure.
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Great to see Robbie featured here today. I enjoyed listening and learning about South Africa. Like you said Rebecca, we can always travel virtually and learn about different parts of the world. Thank you Robbie. Hugs to both xx
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I am delighted that you joined Robbie and me in South Africa. We love your adventurous spirit, Debby. Life is the best when shared with kindred spirits!!!
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Indeed it is, Rebecca.
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Absolutely!!!! ❤
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Hugs back at you, Debbie. I hope you are having a wonderful and relaxing time away.
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I am Robbie, thank you. I’ll have much to talk about. Hugs xx
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A wonderful virtual tour of the caves and also the background to some other amazing places to visit in South Africa.. loved the ostriches and not sure I could manage one of those eggs for breakfast. How amazing to have that familial link to one of the founding fathers Andries Pretorius – a terrific and enjoyable journey.. thanks Rebecca and Robbie..♥
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Sally – how wonderful to have your company on this amazing tour of South Africa. I was calculating the size of the pan that would hold an ostrich egg.
Thank you for mentioning Andries Pretorius, who was instrumental in the creation of the South African Republic. I headed back into the history books to find out more. Pretoria, the executive capital of South Africa is named after him. His son, Marthinus Wessel Pretorius, became the first President of the South African Republic (Transvaal). I continue to learn.
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Delighted to join the tour Rebecca..and brought back memories of my history lessons in school…an amazing country with much to see and enjoy…hugs ♥
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HI Sally, thank you for visiting. I’m glad you enjoyed this podcast. Ostriches are very interesting but I wouldn’t eat an ostrich egg or ostrich meat. It just doesn’t appeal to me.
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A lovely tour Robbie and I probably would not be able to manage a whole egg anyway… xx
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LOL! I don’t eat any eggs, Ostriches or chicken, or duck or darning! 😵💫😂
Okay, the egg thing has put this veggie in a silly mood! Hugs and cheers!
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Ostriches are interesting birds and very large, Resa. They are not very intelligent though and do very funny things like hiding their heads in the sand when they are scared.
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I’d like to see one! Hey, there’s no ostrich emoji! Yet, another emoji failure!
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This virtual travel podcast is very interesting, Rebecca and Robbie. The ostrich eggs must be huge. When we study the limestone, especially in caves, we realize our earth goes back longer than we could imagine. It reminds me of the underground cave we visited in Guilin of China. Thank you for the conversation, Rebecca and Robbie.
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I am delighted that you joined Robbie and me in South Africa, Miriam! I did some research on the Caves in Guilin, China! WOW!!! Another amazing place to visit one day! https://www.chinahighlights.com/guilin/article-best-caves-to-visit.htm
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We took a family trip to China. I’m glad we visited this cave, it was amazing. We took a cruise along the Li River. The spiky mountains are incredible and they’re the inspiration for many Chinese paintings and poetry.
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What a wonderful adventure, Miriam. I am very interested in researching Chinese paintings and poetry.
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One time, a Chinese painter demonstrated his painting in my watercolor class. He did the painting with black ink on a at least 50 feet long rice paper. He painted the mountains and woods along a river. At first it looked like blots of inks, but at the end, he added some strokes and dots here and there, then we could see the trees, birds, and other objects. It was as if he had the mile long images in his mind but revealed the details at the end. It was amazing. He had an assistant to help him holding the long paper.
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You’ll have to invite Miriam over to tell you about these caves, Rebecca. I love caves.
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I was thinking the very same thing, Robbie. Great minds do think alike, its seems.
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Or curious ones, Rebecca – smile!
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Hi Rebecca and Robbie.
I love seeing places that I know I will never visit in person. Robbie has brought us to so many interesting places on her blog and in her stories and poetry.
Robbie, your love of history and your ability to explain it is so impressive. I loved being able to listen as you explained these caves, their history and the related elements in the area. The way you mix your family history with the history of South Africa makes me wish I had had you for a history teacher.
Rebecca, this is such an interesting way to learn about people and places. I love this series.
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I agree wholeheartedly, Dan. I would have loved having Robbie as my history teacher. She is a historian, “writing” history alive in every one of her books. Her historical details add clarity and relevance to the narrative.
By the way, Teagan and Robbie inspired me to add my thoughts to your Door posts. You have created a weekly virtual travel where I zoom around the world from my kitchen table. I have been looking back into my photos an was overwhelmed by how many “door” photos have been hiding in my virtual photo albums. Stay tuned…
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I am glad you can travel with us looking at doors, Rebecca. I think that’s one of the first reasons I fell in love with the prompt when Norm was running it.
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I greatly enjoyed this virtual tour of South Africa! Robbie was the perfect choice to kick off your new TTT series, Rebecca! The first musuem I ever went to, in Edgartown, Mass., featured an ostrich egg. in addition to the size, the texture of the shell was fascinating, too.
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Wasn’t Robbie an amazing tour guide – from ostrich eggs, to music, to language, to archeology excavations. Travel will come back, but I have to admit the 10 second travel time and no jet lag is very appealing.
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I love listening to authors reading their books! Many thanks for your support and encouragement, Liz. So very much appreciated.
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I doubt I’ll travel to South Africa, either. What a neat place!
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Wasn’t it fun to travel with Robbie to South Africa, Chel. So glad that you joined us!
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Thanks! It was!
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Robbie always has such wonderful shares about her country. I’ve learned a lot through her posts about South Africa. The caves are beautiful, their ancient history fascinating! Her experience with the ostriches cracked me up. Fascinating information about the national anthem and the combination of languages (thanks for sharing the anthem in the comments, Rebecca). I loved listening to Robbie read. Great interview, Robbie and Rebecca. Thanks for the fascinating tour. ❤
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Wasn’t it the best fun to meet up with Robbie in South Africa? I have never covered so many miles in such a short time. Robbie has a marvelous sense of adventure. She ignites our imagination with stories, both as a writer and as a tour guide. I just was over at her place where she introduced the artist, Helen Elizabeth Martins. Always an adventure.
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She’s multi-talented, Rebecca. I’ve learned a lot about her country, which I knew very very little about. Plus she’s a writer and poet. I don’t know how she does it all. It was also great hearing her sweet voice. The Martins post was fascinating, wasn’t it? And sad.
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Thanks, Rebecca and Robbie. These days real travelling is becoming trickier, but it is great to be able to travel through your podcast, especially when we have a talented writer like Robbie to narrate her adventures. I do love caves and ostriches are such fantastic animals… Excellent!
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I am delighted that you joined Robbie and me in South Africa. Robbie’s energy and enthusiasm was life-affirming. We covered many miles in our travel and I am looking forward to a return visit!
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Well, that was a wonderful experience. I like this idea of travelling virtually.
Taking this trip with you and Robbie was a sweet treat. The Cango Caves are a treasure of earth.
I enjoyed listening to the SA national anthem, thank you! First time I’ve ever heard it.
I also love listening to Robbie’s voice.
A return visit will be nice. I wonder where else we will go with Rebecca?
Hugs to both of you!
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I am thrilled that you met up with Robbie and me in Cango Caves. Robbie’s photography added so much to the virtual travel as did her reading. I imagined that Billy was standing beside us. I LOVED the singing of the SA anthem. A few weeks ago, I was lamenting that travel had been curtailed. Don said that if we stand still, the world will come to us. I love tagging along your mural treasure hunt walks, Resa. You always find a brilliant mural treasure for us to enjoy.
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Well, I’m late again, but what a wonderful visit! Thanks so much for sharing it. Hugs to you both!
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You are never, ever late to a party, Teagan. It is an ongoing celebration and you have added to to the enjoyment with you comments. Sending hugs on the wing!
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Oh, what an enchanting journey to those wonderful caves! Thank you both ladies for this! Sending hugs [and my apologies for my very late response!] xoxoxo
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My dear friend, you are never ever late. I am delighted that you joined Robbie and me in South Africa. Virtual travel is possible and I am looking forward to many adventures via technology!! Hugs!!!
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Here’s to many many more!
Hugs back and wishes for a beautiful Thursday! xoxo
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Very interesting and fantastic podcast. So enjoyable
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Many thanks!!
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Great interview
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I am delighted that you listened and enjoyed this travel adventure with Robbie Cheadle. She was a most gracious host and tour guide.
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🥰 Robbie really describes everything so well. I love your podcast concept it is great.
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Many thanks, Bella!!
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Welcome
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